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CONTENT WARNING: There is a discussion of suicide and suidical ideation as it pertains to the characters of Akrida Kyle & Lata from The Winchesters and Dean from Supernatural.  Please be aware and kind to yourselves, Wayward Friends. The portion that discusses this content is from 3:33 to 8:48 and has been marked as a chapter so you can easily skip it.

In this episode, Chrisha and Catherine start off the episode by going over some thoughts that have come to them since they started recording about the finale again in November 2023. They then focus in on the Akrida: Joan, their history, and their purpose, and discuss what makes a compelling villain and why the best villains always think they are on the side of good. 

 The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW
Supernatural  audio clip credits: The WB; The CW
 Music clip credits: "Running on Empty" by Jackson Browne
Jeremy Adams' tweet re: Why Cas wasn't in "Last Holiday"
Misha Collins audio clip credit: Supernatural: The Long Road Home 

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